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Chanda: So welcome back everyone. I hope you all are doing well. I hope you all have been enjoying some of the conversations that we’ve been having here on the Courageous Voice podcast. Today we’re in for a treat. We’re in for a treat. We have Jahson the Scientist here with us.[00:01:00] Thank you for being here.

Jahson: Uh, it’s great to be here. Thanks for having me. Thanks for inviting me.

Chanda: So Jahson, wow. There’s so much. He calls himself a wordsmith. We’re going to talk about that later. And he’s a storyteller. He is a poet. He’s a hip hop artist here on the Afro punk scene in Europe. And also I learned a new thing.

There’s a Viennese hip hop scene and he is on that scene. He is also an energy worker. He is a parent. He is an educator and he is also a scientist. So I’m laughing because when I was on your website, I was trying to understand, I was like, okay, I don’t know. I’d never heard of quantum chemistry, but I’m going to get it today. You’re going to tell me.

Jahson: Yeah, it’s a great, it’s an amazing thing.

Chanda: So, can you tell us? And I usually ask people because since everyone is an artist and as an artist, we step into different shoes at any given moment in [00:02:00] any given day. So who do you bring in to the Courageous Voice podcast today?

Jahson: Well, I mean, who is Jahson the Scientist? You described it quite well in the intro. I’m very much a wordsmith. I use words. I combine it with rhythm. I speak from my heart as best as I can. Well, my heart and mind combined. As you said, I come from background of science. I still even teach science. And, I have a particular niche, which is more in the quantum side of things and looking at what’s more fundamental.

I’m not so big on like a classical Newtonian, mechanistic, deterministic kind of side of science. I’m much more interested in the quantum, the energy shifts. And the multidimensional side of this, which underpins the reality that we see that looks so, you know, I throw a ball to you, catch it, you know, exactly how much, how fast it’s coming, et cetera, that kind of stuff.

It’s the world is actually underpinned by [00:03:00] something way deeper than that. And much more complex, actually. Yeah. So these are the sides of me that, that are present, in mind, at least. I don’t really know what else to share. I do various things. But you know, music and science, we can break it down to maybe snapshot into something like that.

Chanda: Oh my gosh. All right. So, I know I shared with you before we started that I had been Google stalking you, first of all. Y’all if you want to post pause right now and go on Spotify and check out his music, you can do that. I’m going to leave all the information in the liner notes, but, um, it’s some beautiful music and, you know, I went to seminary.

Jahson: Thank you.

Chanda: You’re welcome. You’re welcome. And, my focus in seminary was with storytelling and song and how singing and music kind of allows the brain to take in story in a different way. It makes us [00:04:00] work and in doing so, I got really into this American Black church tradition.

Jahson: Okay.

Chanda: And the role that Black preachers played in the community back in the day. And there was something about your approach that reminded me of that because what your subject matter is always so uplifting and the way you’re telling stories and combining them with rhythm. And I feel like, the refrains, the hooks were like affirmations. It was like on some of these songs. And I was just like, this man is preaching up in here!

Jahson: Uh, you, you, well, you know, you know, this is probably one of the first times it’s been said to me like that, but you actually have hit the nail on the head because I literally can remember the first song that I did that consciously with where I was conscious that I’m sending a very specific, not just message, but vibration with it.

And so I was conscious of that [00:05:00] whilst I was making the music, making the song, right. And once I got that, it stayed with me as that’s the way forward. This is a huge part of the tool kit. So, the first time I did that with was a song called "The Season."

Chanda: "The Season," okay, okay.

Jahson: And it basically says your time is now, it’s the season where you eat or get eaten, beat or get beat and be a sheep, be yourself, and possibly, hung for treason. This is that season.

So I’m kind of encouraging people to be themselves in a very fierce way, or encouraging myself to be that, and really recognizing who I am, what I do, what my thing is. If you don’t mind, in my third verse, I say, I’m an artist. I paint brains. Most fitting, I’m a scientist who has communication problems. My work’s been suffering because it’s connection I’m offering. A sun to this cold world. Spirits unearthly. Black [00:06:00] hole deep, but, it goes on. But, my point I wanted to share is that I try to share in that song, even, what I’m about and where I’m going and what I need to do. It’s not just, you know, I’m super, I’m great. I’m fantastic. I’m claiming to make connection. I’m sending music out to people and I think I need to step up my communication game, you know? So yeah. So it’s like, you know, get in there, let’s get busy. Do you, be bold. And it’s still a lesson that I’m learning to this day, so yeah, I’m thankful for the affirmation.

Chanda: Oh, nice. Nice. When you’re talking about encouraging people, there was another one that really stood out for me and I’m looking at my notes. Did it say "Walk Confident?"

Jahson: "Walk Confident," yeah. That’s from Sketches on Duality. There’s, you might not be able to see it too good, but it’s that album over in the corner.

And it’s kind of bass drums, keys, guitar, and myself, and, we are called Sketches on Duality, that’s our band, [00:07:00] and the song is called "Walk Confident," you know?

Chanda: Yeah. That was tight. Like affirmation. There was a lot, I mean that whole album. I think that’s the one I listened to on SoundCloud, so they were really just snippets of it, but there was a lot. Like, I mean, the piece that was inspired by your uncle also about doubt being the killer of man.

Jahson: Yeah. He’s passed, he’s moved on, he’s now an ancestor. But a great force in my life. And, um, he taught me so much and his expression was doubt is the killer of man. So actually, the whole EP was created because of his passing.

And I was invited by my family to write, oh, no, to say something about him, because they knew I loved my uncle, we were tight. And he, I said, I wrote this piece basically and said it, and it became the start of my EP. So I pulled on "The Season," I brought "No Doubt," and that became the [00:08:00] title track of the album.

Yeah, so, I’m glad you liked that one, that’s an ode to my uncs and his philosophy.

Chanda: That’s beautiful. So tell me this. You have science and music, and these are two things, I’m not going to say that I’ve never heard them together, cause I’ve heard some interestingly beautiful connections about just the beginnings of the universe and the frequencies and the sounds, I’m just curious for you, how these things are influencing one another. Or, did one come first, the love of one come first and then you pursued the other thing or?

Jahson: Interesting question. So, music was always part of my life from very young. So I learned to play the keys quite early.

Not that I can play the keys now. But, I started young. I got into a music school even later. Music was very much part of my life. I was writing, copying other artists freestyle and whatever the case may be. It progressed. And the music’s been part of my life.

Science is something that I was just able to do, and kind of could get into a good university, [00:09:00] please my mum. Go to this university where I’m the only Black male in my class, in my chemistry class. You know, did my mum proud, that kind of thing. So it wasn’t something that really hit me until the last year when they asked us to choose a thesis to write on.

And I couldn’t see anything on the list that I liked. And then I saw this title called photomagnetism.

Chanda: Okay. Tell us about it. Please. Break it down.

Jahson: Like your "photo," of course, is light, and basically it induces a form of magnetism, but it does so by producing quantum shifts within whatever molecule it’s working on.

So, it shifts it to a high energetic state. And when things are shifted to high energetic state, we’ve noticed that their properties become really interesting. So for instance, literally the most amazing thing that I remember coming across was first and foremost, they’re unpredictable. You can’t predict the properties of these molecules when they’re in these excited states and how they will act. They [00:10:00] shift greatly. Literally, so for instance, some molecules become transparent, right? It’s literally invisible.

Chanda: And this is just influenced by light.

Jahson: By light. So not all molecules can do that. It’s some specific molecules, you know, some especially metal ligand center molecules. So they do that, but not every and anything.

Chanda: Okay. And so what about any on a person? I’m so bad at science, but we’re made up of these things too, right?

Jahson: Yes, indeed. We are.

Chanda: Okay. So, so does this have an effect on people or, is this why some people have mood shifts or people feel better in the summertime or when need more sunlight?

Jahson: It’s all interconnected, it’s all interconnected.

So I kind of would like to see us and the physical body as actually a chemical bag. It’s a bag of [00:11:00] chemicals, you know, organized in various ways, but those chemicals interact with each other. So even just for you to hear, there’s a reaction going on, some electrical, some chemical.

So when for instance, just sunlight itself, we even know it’s power just by the need of, um… in those who have very strong winter countries that actually get dark, and don’t have a lot of daylight hours, we noticed that mood shift, and that’s basically just a testimony to the power of light.

So we all say we’re dark skin, melanin, melanated people who absorb light. The deeper truth is that we have so much melanin in all areas of our bodies, including the heart, the eye, the brain, and the list goes on. All of these different parts of you are melanated.

So that kind of gives you a value system of what melanin is for human beings, period. [00:12:00] And then we know the obvious connection to melanin and light is there. So it’s kind of a general step forward, not overly scientific in the way I’m explaining it. But I think it’s that the shift that occurs and the need for us to be in tune with light: it’s not just feeding the plants.

It feeds us directly, you know, it feeds us directly.

Chanda: So this, and this is light in the literal sense of the word, not in the metaphysical sense.

Jahson: Right, right, right, right. So I think, on the metaphysical sense of what light may mean, and its possible metaphors that are alluded by the idea of light, it all comes together because the physical is not separate in my mind, and I only see it as my perspective, and there’s a huge battle in the scientific community.

And I’ve got my notes well-prepared for this. But I literally want to give lectures on it and all that kind of stuff. But basically we, in my perspective, are part of a space of [00:13:00] consciousness. We happen to have consciousness because we are developed in the way that we have it. So we have our unique take on how we grasp and feel and get these experiences, you know, the nervous system and the brain.

But all thoughts emanate and interact with something that is of that nature. So when we say, you know, light, we’re talking vibrational spectrum. You can think of the electromagnetic spectrum, which goes from cosmic rays right away down to our TV, radio microwaves, or going down to those radio waves.

All of that includes so much and we actually interact with all of it.

Chanda: Wow.

Jahson: You don’t think of it like that, but that’s what we’re doing. We’re feeding off all of this around us. So, it’s not to be underestimated. So I don’t know. It’s just a natural part of our lives. So I don’t really take it too much deeper than that, in the sense of, I just have an understanding that it is deep and I would love to convey it because I think if we shift our perspective, it [00:14:00] will open us up as people and beings to work with the wonderful systems that do work, but happily influence it with our nature. Because we can and it’s like an untold story in my mind.

Chanda: No, this is interesting because, so, I was asking how science influences your music, how music influences your science, and just you saying this is reminding me, there was a piece that you were talking about something saying, was it a,

Jahson: Uh, maybe… "Love Life Metaphors," okay. Yeah.

Chanda: ‘Love Life Metaphors," okay. This is my favorite. This is my favorite.

Jahson: Oh, nice.

Chanda: Um, but you were talking about those same principles. Like in this creatively, in a different way, but this the same thing like taking, wait. Yes, this was "Pour Some More."

Jahson: Yeah, that’s it. "Love Life Metaphors" is "Pour Some More," it’s the same tune. Yeah.

Chanda: Can you share some of those lyrics? Cause I want people to hear, I don’t want to like butcher it cause I have you here.

Jahson: I haven’t performed that in [00:15:00] yonks, but let me, basically I’m just saying I’d much prefer to be married to this life, instead of claiming that to be, you know, my dominion slapping me, like, come, bring, bring forward life. Pour it on. Bring me life. Be with life, you know?

Chanda: And then was it when it rains, it pours, so pour some more?

Jahson: Yeah. When it rains it pours, so pour some more. And so that’s also an allude to kind of like, sometimes life gets hard, you know, life will beat you. So, I’m not running from life anymore.

So bring it forward because I can see the beauty in what I’m getting by these downfalls when I fall. And I scraped my knee and I hurt myself, and I act out in a way that affects, that hurts me or hurt someone else or whatever it may be. I get to see it finally. And then I get to recognize who I am, where I’m at and what I want to do to the way I want to be and start charting that path.

So it’s just development, like diamonds literally are made under pressure. That’s part of the lyrics too. Yeah. Yeah. [00:16:00] I can’t remember it right now, but yeah.

Chanda: We’re going to listen. This was going to be a "Love Life Metaphors." Oh my gosh. This was live, um, at Urban Lakeside Festival.

Jahson: Oh right, yeah, yeah. I performed it at that festival. That was probably 2015, 2016, something like that.

Chanda: Hmm. And that was a while ago. So I also listened to your latest, I know you have another one that you did in collaboration with someone else, but the latest one that was "The Spectrum," right?

Jahson: Right. So "The Spectrum" is with Sketches on Duality, that’s the band I mentioned, which has "Walk Confident." It also has a track called "Consolamentum" where I talk about exactly what you were asking me on.

So I literally say that, you know, our body is a bag of atoms and in that bag of atoms, you have this big, positive thing and this negative thing, normally opposites attract. If those come together, it will be a pure annihilation into pure energy. So if that’s the case, how can we still have our [00:17:00] physical form right here?

And isn’t that a wonder? There’s a depth in life that is just to be acknowledged, you know, there’s such a beauty in it. And when you see it, it’s kind of in those simple terms, because if you go into the detail of science, we always try and explain things and it’s brilliant.

And it allows us to understand things well. But on a simple idea that ,you can’t deny it. When these opposites come together it’s pure annihiliation, that’s pure energy, that’s non-material form, which is what you’re actually made of, but it’s in a form holding you, holding your body, making you.

That’s magic to me, scientists call it uncertainty. But that’s magic to me.

Chanda: I love that. I love that. So tell me this. At what point did you say, all right, I’m going to take these things, I’m going to bring them together, and I’m going to get on stage and make this a thing, because that’s not an easy thing to bring these dreams and these thoughts, especially marrying science with hip hop. How did you start?

Jahson: [00:18:00] Well, consciously bringing science into hip-hop is not really something I can do easily because I always did things so instinctively without overthinking and without really, you know, it’s like, uh, the music is playing. What does it tell me to write?

And I write it. I come from the school of, we go into a studio, beats are banging, we’re writing then and there. So the thought process is not, you’re not extending it to say, I’m going to sit on this one and really think out this deep concept of something, something like they come and they, you know, it’s like,[snaps], so I was just making music basically, and I was being me.

And I was aware that I didn’t want to try and sound, cause a lot of this stuff I can talk about. Like, it’s cool to talk about high philosophy, but I don’t want to talk like that’s what life alone is. So I often did my best to consciously be clear about resonating what’s true to where I’m at and who I am and letting that live.

So I was conscious of it in that sense, and that was very much how I was [00:19:00] operating, what I was doing, the way I was working. I was conscious of that around like 2000 and… yeah, 2000 and I don’t know, maybe… consciously bringing myself to the table, I think I’ve been doing it forever, but 2000 and say seven.

I was very conscious of me doing it. I was conscious of me doing it.

Chanda: That’s what I mean, when you say really conscious of bringing me, yourself, to the table, because that’s a step that a lot of people want to take. Right? They have the music in them. They have their story that they want to share, whatever it is.

And then taking that stuff to be like, all right, now I’m going to put myself out there. This is me. I’m gonna do, I’m going to go to the studio. I’m gonna make these connections. I’m gonna like,

Jahson: My first release was kicked off in like 2001. So I was blessed. I was literally running out of university halls, going to shows, taking the train up to like Manchester or wherever, or I even didn’t go to [00:20:00] exam.

Chanda: Oh, mmm, okay.

Jahson: Because my guys are like, are you coming to the studio? I’m like, for what again? Like, is it going to get released? Yeah. The labels already ready for it? Yeah. I’m there. So I was split between these two things from a very early age and over time, it’s just for me to try and get them back together.

That’s pretty much what the marriage has been about and just integrating it both in me. And for me, it’s not that it doesn’t feel the easiest because I feel like I want to give double to both. I want to give more to music to do all those things I’d love to, and I want to bring more to science to get into all those other things I’d love to.

And, I’ve learned to be calm with my pace and bring it together as I can due to the limits of life, you know.

Chanda: Nice. I’m just thinking, I remember when you did this event for the Black Women’s Community here, which is how I got to know who you were, because my son was, I don’t know, maybe three or four, and I was like, look, you know, [00:21:00] look at this guy, look what he does. And like maybe a year after that I saw you like passing on the one train and you were like, yeah, I’m gonna be dedicating everything to music right now. It’s the time, it’s this. And you were kind of talking me through this process.

So if you don’t mind, what was that process like? Because I know that you were leaving behind some stability, financial stability, and all the other stability things that, that like these jobs bring to us and stepping into this unknown, I’m sure you knew that you had so much to give there. But, that’s another place that a lot of listeners are at of how to make the step into doing, showing up more for what their heart is calling them to do.

Jahson: Right. Right. So I’m fortunate that I’ve been engaged in music and music. It was existence. I was in two bands around that time, both Scatterbrain and Sketches on Duality. I was engaged in a few other projects. So truth be told, it was the [00:22:00] dawn of the time that I said goodbye to the financial security and teaching in the school was after my mum passed.

That was the impetus for me to move forward truer in my life. I had to really start claiming life. All the gifts that my mom has blessed me with and her support, it was very clear to me that this is the time. It wasn’t an easy decision, but I made it and I ventured into it.

So, because music was already present, there was already some money coming in from music. And by putting work and time into it, I started to build up. We went touring, 2018, 2019 were busy years, especially 2019. Especially with Sketches. It was just right. We did so many things and went down to Reeperbahn Festival, ended up down in Liverpool, ended up down in… you know, we just went places.

We were traveling through Europe, doing shows and being present. And by [00:23:00] 2020, we had two booking agents who had come to us, found us and wanted to book us for various areas in Europe. So much was just already happening. So my life was going in this direction where I’m like, whoa, I’m putting it in and it’s happening.

And it’s clicking without, because I was already in it. So it was just about the opportunity of everything being quite serendipitous that more was coming. Our album just dropped, the other band had their album drop a few years before. So there was things going on and come 2020, the few days before our first tour, Corona lockdown came.

So, all of that was stripped from me. So, I literally, for the first time in my life, cause it never had been that way. Cause I was always able to earn my money without needing money from music. So this is the first time that I still, I tutor, I still, do some form of teaching that brings in some money.

I wasn’t completely stopped, but I was doing my own [00:24:00] timing, my own timetabling, my own, everything kind of much more than I was before, at least. And, everything fell though. So all of my savings, that little piggy bank that I had, creeped down as well. And it was honestly, it was an epiphany because I was trying to honor my life as best as I could.

And I was bullish with it. I was like, Hm. Like bullish, like, cause basically what happened is when my money was creeping down to that point where it’s looking really low. You know, there’s a point where it’s dropping, you’re like, yeah, that’s why I have it. Cool. Let’s go. You know, I mean, you have to imagine at the same time as me doing the tours with Sketches and dropping out and whatever the case may be, I was now engaged in because I’m not working, doing science kind of as a nine to five.

I was now doing, finishing the Black Messiah project, getting that one together. Getting on the Earth Tone Poems project, a poetry audio with other stuff to come and all these [00:25:00] different things. There were other things too, and I was just doing all of them, swimming between all these different things.

Then the money started trickling down where I couldn’t give anything to things. Plus we’re being restricted in our even movement. Right. So I couldn’t give anything to what my heart is now. At the same time, I became a Gamma Breath certified trainer. I was practicing that so regularly.

I was just getting into me actually, because I never left school to do music. I left the school to do me. And I really was giving to me and my life is flourishing. It felt like such a beautiful thing. And I was off in cloud nine and then Corona came lurking around, and I had issues with it from a scientific perspective about the lack of media coverage from certain ideas, which were just so horrendous for me.

I started hearing my voice is in Corona. Now I’m spending time looking at scientific journals and trying to see what the latest scientists are saying and get a more 360 picture when I see the media is skewing only one sided, right? [00:26:00] And my energy started going there. Then George Floyd with the Black Lives Matter thing, my energy started going there.

My money was going down and I felt like I was just… without wanting to be because the beauty of a spiritual nature, in my perspective, one of the highest philosophies that you are given by, or what I have been given from spiritual philosophy is that life is an event of ups and downs.

It’s based on duality, it’s based on dark and light. It’s based on this. This is how we’re able to even exist in the first place. It’s got, every tree that’s born is going to fall as well, even earth. And its existence is impermanent. As much as we got, you know, millions upon millions of millions of years to come, it’s limited.

So that already gives you a philosophy that you can expect derails and [00:27:00] problems and all the rest of it. And it’s not that spirituality buys you out of all of what life is bringing you. It doesn’t do any of that. All it does is says to you, don’t worry about anything. That’s what it says to you, don’t you worry, just keep on doing your thing. Do what you got to do, be honest to yourself.

Don’t lower yourself, spiritually, morally, and ethically. Like, don’t start penny pinching. If you, you know, maybe if in survival mode, no one can wrong you if that’s the only way you could survive was by stealing that man’s apples and grapes, then what are you going to do, right? Running into his barn and milking the cow on the sly, like that’s what you’re going to do.

So in survival mode, it’s, life is the event. You have a period of survival sometimes, but if you’ve compromised your morals, rewrite them. If you’ve rewritten your morals, you don’t ever need to bow because you’ve got something way bigger than what your physical sees, knows, and can touch and tangibly get with. There’s something deeper. Cause [00:28:00] if you’re, that’s what spiritually is for me, something more than just what we can sense and taste with our five senses, right? There’s this force and support there. So I’m knowing this, I’m practicing this. I’ve been on it for yonks. I’ve been, this is my whole philosophy of life.

Whatever the case may be. This became my biggest test in my life. Everything crashed. I saw myself hit rock bottom. I had to ask myself many times, you sure you don’t want to go back to school? And it was like, no, it feels so wrong. The truest part of me was like, no, no, but I’m looking at physicality and seeing that it’s begging something to come and I’m doing my best to do what I can.

I’m doing little tutor in here doing a bit, and this there, stuck indoors for the most part, doing tons of Zoom lessons, if I can, when the opportunity arises, but it wasn’t enough to keep me good. You know, couple of shows in summer when they opened up a few doors, I was [00:29:00] struggling and it was exactly at rock bottom.

And this is why I know it’s the Creator, it’s not me. Exactly at rock bottom because I just, basically what I’m saying is I weathered the storm. I stuck it out and tried to live life as best as I could and make the most of it on my physical level of what I can do. I didn’t give up, but it was like, anything else is a lie to yourself.

And I’m not doing that to myself anymore. That rockiest, rockiest bottom-iest bottom, you know, you know, rock and a hard place type stuff. Like at that point where nothing could get any worse, I was like, [pfft] what’s worse than that? Something came and just picked me up. Opportunities, I had a full month of gigs to follow. I had, like an acting deal that we had never acted before in my life.

And I’ve actually got speaking roles. For my teaching. I’m earning more than I ever had per timeframe than ever before. Like [00:30:00] all of these things, the rockiest rockiest bottom-iest bottom, this happens.

Chanda: Okay.

Jahson: I kid you not. And because I was honestly just stuck. The only thing I could’ve done is run off to England, say, I leave this place, forget a landlord. Can’t afford to pay the bills. It’s either you keeping the house for the next six months. I have no way. I don’t know what’s going to be happening. The landscape looks shady. I’m limited by Corona. I haven’t got that financial income that you had when you had a regular job, that even if things were going down, once the job doesn’t fire you, you’re going to get that income.

I didn’t have that. I was living off my own stream and proud of it. And then it all from the up went [gestures downward] and that landslide was a slap to me. But again, it only strengthened me cause under pressure, I got insights that I never had, like insights beyond insights that I have to now come out and speak.

If I don’t, I’m living as if I’m dead to life. I can’t pretend by the constraints that are provided to me, that I’m going to allow [00:31:00] all of that mind control stuff that I had on me to now say, Hey, life is totally different to that. And once we buy out of half of this, you will be living a life that feels a lot better for you, just for you. And you just because it’s good for you, it means it’s good for your environment too.

Chanda: This is a word. This is a word I need to hear that. I needed to hear that right now. So tell me about this practice that you were doing. That was grounding you and this philosophy,

Jahson: If it wasn’t for these things, if I didn’t lose it, I would’ve lost it.

Right. If it wasn’t for these practices, because it literally stories of the last, I can say to you, last 20 years of my life came together during this period of time as well. And when I say stories, including like mad metaphysical type stories, where, or not metaphysical, but stuff you can’t explain by science, it can’t explain it, right, as given today, as we teach it today.

Experiences like that, that I had when I was in my early [00:32:00] twenties, or even earlier that were telling me about what the heart value is and that that’s the space to live from. And I didn’t quite get it, even though I did my best to understand it and live it as best as I could.

I was shown during my practice, and it’s trippy, like if I start to tell you the story, this is why for me, I can’t say that this was by my own design. It’s really not. If I tell you the story, I was invited by Belonda, who has a Soul-lutions, Soulutions, solutions for the soul, does yoga and various forms and various practices to eye yoga, all sorts of different things for you to connect.

And yeah, she’s based in Portugal actually, but she does frequent Vienna sometimes, or at least visit. Like a really blessed, serious soul, like really serious, but dope and very into her practice. She invited me to give three meditations on trust, to give a meditation on trust, which became a three piece meditation.[00:33:00]

So between her and I, we devised the meditations and I facilitated them. It just so happened that this was the same time that I decided to be certified as a coach in some practice called the Gamma Breath.

Chanda: The Gamma Breath. So, what is the Gamma Breath?

Jahson: So the Gamma Breath is, have you heard about the, we often hear the four brainwave states, beta, alpha, theta and delta.

So right now, because we’re in communication, we’re operating in beta, we’re alive. We’re alert, we’re sentient to our physical reality. Alpha is closer to that waking state when you kind of know that you’re not fully sleeping or fully awake, that kind of state, that kind of like daydreamy type of state. Theta is that rapid eye movement, deep dreaming, visual. That’s when you get the dream dream, and this is all stepping down and slowing in vibrations of brainwaves. [00:34:00] And then delta is the slowest. It’s the slowest of them all and that’s kind of when you go to sleep and you wake up, you’re like, did I even sleep? And you see eight hours passed, like, whoa.

Chanda: Okay. So deep deep. Deep sleep.

Jahson: Gamma, however, it goes in the opposite direction from beta. So beta is a higher brainwave state where we’re active now. We’re constantly like really conscious with thinking, but our brain is active. When you’re on like hyper learning. It’s kind of like getting even faster. The frequency is even faster when we’re hyper learning, I would say is going into things that are new to you, getting into new practices that are completely new. Things that force your brain to create new neural pathways that it didn’t have before. That kind of stuff.

Chanda: Okay.

Jahson: Gamma lies on the highest end of that, where it goes up. It’s a much higher frequency. So it’s like a very [00:35:00] conscious practice, as in it doesn’t take you into that lulled out, kind of everything’s chilled. It actually heightens your awareness in life and awakeness that you’re so much more here.

Chanda: Okay. Yeah.

Jahson: And it works with all of your past memories, it rewires your work with your emotional self, it has physical connections and, our organs store information that we’ve experienced. So it works with it all. And it’s just the most amazing practice I’ve come across.

Like one of a handful of amazing practices, which is why I decided to get trained in it.

Chanda: So, is it like, is it a breath work practice of awareness?

Jahson: It’s just a breath work and the beauty of it, it is literally, you don’t have to think too much, you know some meditations are mad deep. You got to visualize this whilst you’re breathing like that. And then you push the energy up here that, you know, wherever it is, I don’t know. They all have their purposes, but with this, [00:36:00] just breathe in the right formation, cycles, timing.

Chanda: Okay.

Jahson: And then you engage in a few thoughts. You settle into the meditation. The meditation actually happens after you’ve done the breathing.

Chanda: Okay.

Jahson: So you just relax after it, sit down and sink into it. It’s dope. It’s off the charts.

Chanda: I want you to give us, I feel like I wanna close with, uh, I don’t want to close now, but I feel like I wanna close with five minutes. I don’t know. What do you think?

Jahson: I’d be happy to do that.

Chanda: Can we? [Squeals]

Jahson: I’d love to do that.

Chanda: So I have more questions though, before we do that,

Jahson: Let me just say this. Let me just say this before I finish. So what happened was, on the trust meditations that I was giving, my classes for the training were also happening online and two of each fell together.

So I literally give an hour meditation and followed by [00:37:00] a four or five hour session of Gamma practice. So they aligned with each other. Boom, boom. And the epiphanies that came up, led me into tears, brought back memories, unified things, and gave me a deep understanding of just like, whoa. I came out like oh, right. And then part of me was more open than ever before and confirmed and just getting information just given to me. And so I was living with that sort of strength, and that’s why I weathered the storm when it was crushing and didn’t turn back, I literally was like a madman, not turning back when it’s, you don’t see the ledge.

You know, I’ve got a verse which I’m on SK Invitationals album called Golden Crown, and it’s got some of the most amazing artists like MOP, Ed OG, Satta X, and all these people, um, Homeboy Sandman and list goes on. And it says, the verse says, shouts to the most high, thanks for the level next, footing on a ladder nears end, learn to add a [00:38:00] step, walking off the cliff’s edge blind. Now that’s a gift. Learn to see that sunshine shine without a squint. You know, the solar systems in your inner type of wisdom, I don’t know who whispered, but they whispered and I simply listened, but my soul is singing. Like I’m Isaac Hayes bringing Black Moses back spliff in spit in brap. And it goes on, you know?

Um, but it’s that faith that’s really where I’m almost going like this. Blind faith. I’m on it. I’m on it. I ain’t got no sense. And I don’t believe in blind faith, but it tested my old belief set versus what I claimed to be holding. And I was really tested.

Chanda: Okay. And this is interesting, your language with this, because on the surface it seems like what you’re saying is blind faith.

But what I’m gathering is it’s more of, yeah. It’s just more faith and like a knowing that you’re held and so in that sense of that knowing it’s not very blind, I don’t know.

Jahson: That’s exactly right. That’s exactly right. I couldn’t have said it better. [00:39:00] Yeah, I was held and I knew it and I trusted it and I was giving meditations on trust just before.

And I had to learn trust. Basically I was given the trust meditation, not recognizing that it’s all coming from me. Yeah? Do you trust? I hear you, Jahson. Do you trust? Nice words is good to share on your share with people. Do you trust? Let’s go.

Chanda: Wow. Oh my gosh. You are giving me a word today.

You’re giving me a word. Oh my gosh. Because getting really, because I have really been considering, but I quit everything last year. All my stable things. And I have been really considering going back though, man, maybe I’m not cut out for this. And yeah. So this is why I love doing this podcast because I be getting a word, I be getting a word.

Jahson: Right, right. This is great. This is right. Right. It’s all a balance. What has found me is just everything shifted and I’m actually teaching a lot now, but I’m getting well-respected and I’m earning [00:40:00] well with it in the sense that yes, it feels right before it didn’t feel right. So it’s not like I ran away from teaching or something.

I stayed open to life. I was never, oh, I’m never going to teach again. Nah, I got it now. I’ve been a teacher for so long. I’ve got it, Universe. I’m actually meant to remain in this position. It’s gifted me so many beautiful things. I get it. I’m cool with it.

Chanda: Oh, okay. Okay. So okay, I want to do this meditation. There was one other thing I wanted to ask you because when we were chatting a few days ago and I was asking you if you were teaching freestyle and like hip hop writing and you were talking about what you notice when you do teach specifically writing and specifically with hip hop that you noticed that when people are freestyling, when they’re flowing, how much of their thought process they were unaware of and how much comes out through the classes or through the writing.

And so I’m just wondering, are there [00:41:00] certain exercises that you do, certain like kind of writing prompts, because what you’re describing sounds like a process of healing through, through writing. Is this something that happens because just, it kind of happens, or?

Jahson: I mean, this is the thing, because I would say that the greatest endeavor that we could ever have is knowledge of self.

And what that really means is to start to peel away that society, the layers that society has given you all the light layers, that you accepted from society, all the layers that your parents and family gave you and keep peeling them all away until you can actually look at you and say, ah, this is me.

This is what makes my heart tick. This is why I frown at that and why I smile at this and you get to know you better. Right. So I find that music, sorry, writing especially, music as well. But the just artistic expression in general, but writing so much helps you to tap into your own thought [00:42:00] process, tap into the things that you like, tap into those emotional spots that trigger you like, oh yeah.

I hate, I hate that. I hate those people that just take, take, take, take, take, take, take, take, take, take, take, take, take, take, take. I hate those who take, you know, now you getting into it and you start to recognize yourself. You’re going. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Cool. And then later on, you’d be like, I don’t really feel the vibration of hate though.

Cause it really winds me up. You can go into your, I do me, I love me cause I can’t move to any other heartbeat. Right. So you start to open yourself up to you, and it becomes playful because the beauty of creative writing is that limitations aren’t there. And it’s good to have framework and you provide a little limitation for them, you know, whether you invite them to possibly rhyme, create a structure, make it have a form that has a rhythm, maybe, you know, something like that will challenge them.

But I asked them to tap into parts of them where no matter what topic we [00:43:00] may give, I’m inviting them to just say what they think and what they feel and not overthink it, you know? So I don’t try to give excess amount of time to write. Don’t make it too long. Don’t make them think about thinking about how to write. There’s a topic, you’ve got this time, go.

And in that instinctiveness you search and find things without the long drawn out thoughts in between you get to the landing points and you start to find landing points. That’s what you’re actually doing. So yeah, it opens people up in creatively. It gets their imagination open, which Einstein said is 99% of the whole shebang, you know, not intellect, like Einstein was clear on that.

He imagined one of his deepest philosophies, special Theory of Relativity, is him imagined himself flying right in the back of a beam of light. That’s how he thought out what this [00:44:00] meant. Like he placed his consciousness on the beam of light and rode it.

That’s how he got into his space of all of this deep science, which ends up as mathematics. But science is at a point where it shouldn’t keep running from the philosophy, no matter how challenging to their worldview is. Yeah. That’s when science becomes that church, that laboratory, dogmatic church type church I’m talking, becomes that. That’s when science becomes that, because it starts to dictate the limitations now, as know-it-alls, forgetting that there’s such, such a thing as paradigm shifts.

Chanda: Hm. Talk about that.

Jahson: Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

Chanda: Oh my goodness. Listen, I know that our time is coming down. I definitely want to have you back to have some more conversations. It’s been amazing. Before we do this meditation, I want to just [00:45:00] let people know where to find you.

Uh, it’s Jahson the Scientist on like Instagram on YouTube, on Spotify,

Jahson: Jahson the Scientist. Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, Instagram, J A H S O N T H E scientist, you know how it goes. So, yeah, it’s, it’s often all one word and you can find me by website is JahsonTheScientist.one. So that’s my website.

And you can find out more about me there. You can contact me also through there. You can contact me through any of the social media platforms. It’s probably Instagram I’m on more than the others, if I’m honest, I find myself there. Facebook less. So I’m there. You can find me, I’m reachable.

Chanda: Wonderful.

I’m going to have links in the notes. I will also have links to some music. We talked about music from a couple of albums. [00:46:00] I will put them down, but, you can also get the music on the website. And you have something coming up in June, right?

Jahson: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So I have something coming up. June the fifth is an Afro Love Festival. Afro Love Festival setup by 99. That’s my man Taf and his 99 crew and club. And it’s going to be a big festival.

I’m performing on the fifth and there’s a host of artists performing between the third and the fifth. So if you’re in Vienna, come through. Yeah, I’m performing at the fifth around 6:30. Yeah. Come through the fifth. That’s about 6:30, you know, and I don’t often do what I’m doing.

Like I’m playing by a few exclusive joints, some new stuff, some stuff that hasn’t been released. And I’m performing without a band. So that’s not what I usually do. So it’s going to be a different event, come through, come through.

Chanda: All right. All right. So listen, we’re about to be in for a treat.[00:47:00]

We’re going to get a short Gamma Breath. Did I say it right? Gamma breath meditation.

Jahson: That’s right. Gamma breath meditation. So lovely. All right. So I’m going to invite you just to bring yourself to yourself because you’ve connected with us externally. First and foremost, just listen to what your ears are hearing from is closest to its most distant sound.

Now bring yourself to recognize when you inhale through your nose, as you breathe normally, no change to your breathing. How does it feel? Is it different? Are they the same?

Move your awareness to your mouth. Is it dry or moist? Finally, just be present in your whole physical body, feel your presence, and [00:48:00] then behind your eyelids, take your consciousness behind your eyelids, place your fingers and hands in the prayer position. If you’re not sure what that is, you’re welcome to open your eyes and you can look at me while you do it.

If you want to. But the prayer position, we will now engage in a sequence of breaths. This is the basic Gamma breath. Every breath is three seconds in and three seconds out. It will be a combination of mouth and nose breathing. And I will tell you each time what to do. So three seconds in through the mouth, three seconds out through.

Three seconds in through the mouth and out through the nose.[00:49:00]

Three seconds in, through the nose, three seconds out through the nose,

in, through the nose, out through the mouth,

feel free to make them as big and open breaths in through the mouth, out through the mouth.

In through the mouth, out through the nose,

very full breaths in, through the nose, out through the nose, three seconds[00:50:00]

in, through the nose, out through the mouth.

in, through the mouth, out through the mouth,

in, through the mouth, out through the nose,

in, through the nose, out through the nose.

In through the nose, out through the mouth

and your final breath in, through the mouth, out through the mouth,[00:51:00]

Relax your hands, close your eyes, return to a normal breath and just feel and be present. Observe your body, observe the sensations and whatever thoughts or vision has come to mind. Just observe sinking into the Gamma state.

As you feel all of those sensations in your body or thoughts in [00:52:00] mind, anything else

I’ll invite you due to the respect for time to slowly open your eyes and bring yourself again, present in the room at your own pace open when it feels.

Chanda: Well, thank you so much. I have so many beautiful sensations and things, but it’s time to wrap up, but I really encourage you all to take your time with that. Come back to it, push pause, and take some time to sit and really notice what your body’s feeling. Wow. I didn’t want to stop.

I don’t want to stop. I just want to sit[00:53:00]

Jahson: It’s a wonderful feeling. I know. Feels good. Yeah. So what we did just did was the basic Gamma breath and we just put ourselves into the Gamma state, which, you know, a later day, I can speak a lot more on, but you’re now present in that Gamma state and there’s many other paths to it and sequences, but this is the introductory part and it’s probably the foundation for me of the Gamma breath.

Chanda: This was beautiful. I want to do it again. All right, listen, thank you so much. Thank you so much. It’s has been wonderful having you here. Please check out Jahson’s music and get in touch with him on all the platforms.

And again, thank you so much.

Jahson: Yeah. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

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